Race vs Religion - Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man Ep. 7 w/ Carl Lentz, Hillsong Church

It's time to talk about race & religion. Carl Lentz, lead pastor of Hillsong East Coast, sits down with Emmanuel Acho to have an uncomfortable conversation about the role religion plays in fueling and/or killing racism.
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  • tee bee
    tee bee2 ditë më parë

    Reperations here and now

  • tee bee
    tee bee2 ditë më parë

    This minister is telling the truth in which I hope he continues to carry the message. Thanks

  • Valid Rowdy
    Valid Rowdy3 ditë më parë

    Uncomfortable truth: The belief that "racism" is the cause of all your problems is just another form of religion.

  • Corey L
    Corey L5 ditë më parë

    Carl, full of it. I don't hate Carl at all, but he is definitely full of it.

  • Mao's Mango's Political
    Mao's Mango's Political6 ditë më parë

    Sounds like he leads a racist church. I refuse to go to a church like that.

  • Katie MacDonald
    Katie MacDonald6 ditë më parë

    Omg you two are life changing

  • Emmanuelacho Chinedum

    Emmanuelacho Chinedum

    5 ditë më parë

    Thank you for your continuous love and support.

  • Katie MacDonald
    Katie MacDonald6 ditë më parë

    As a privileged white girl thank you for your conversations. I didn’t even realize

    THE IRS IS WATCHING8 ditë më parë

    A pastor with tattoos, I like this already

  • Daniel Navarro
    Daniel Navarro8 ditë më parë

    I would love to see Emmanuel talk to Dr. Jordan Peterson about white privilege! We have two sides of a coin one that says we need to acknowledge it and the other that believes it isn’t true and it’s dangerous to believe it. Both very bright and respected people but with two very different views on it. That would make a great uncomfortable conversation!

  • I AM Greatness
    I AM Greatness9 ditë më parë

    I would like to hear the world of Christian leaders accepts that Christianity is from Kemet.....as a child all Christian literature depict Jesus,God and the Angels as white. Which was a weapon to mentally and spiritually enslave us. Repent Repent Repent and be he Baptized sell and donate all that your ancestors has stolen and give it to the poor and come fallow me . Most if not most countries are doing everything in their power to keep Africa down by robbing all their resources. History speak volumes God is not in the sky or is Satan under the ground they lives in man. The truth is out and the melanated men walking talking living sun is been ressurected.

  • ab brown
    ab brown10 ditë më parë

    I bet they fired him because of him speaking on this.

  • TheRealHomie
    TheRealHomie11 ditë më parë

    Keep in mind this guy speaks for Protestant Christians, which are the majority. There is a huge difference, Catholic and Orthodox Americans are a separate cultural group entirely.

  • Renée Howard-Johnson
    Renée Howard-Johnson12 ditë më parë


  • Lindsay Moleirinho-Watkis
    Lindsay Moleirinho-Watkis12 ditë më parë

    Emmanuel Acho you are doing God's work. May the Lord continue to bless you as you bridge the gap and change the world.

  • LP
    LP12 ditë më parë

    Can you imagine being a black atheist in America? I’m literally the devil to some people.

  • J Hughes
    J Hughes12 ditë më parë

    His shirt is social justice. Religion, yes. Saved, no.

  • Calvin campbell-Whitter
    Calvin campbell-Whitter12 ditë më parë

    Love all Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black man. Please keep the conversation going.... love it.

  • Becca Sherwood
    Becca Sherwood13 ditë më parë

    I appreciate you and what you are doing Emmanuel

  • Natashya S
    Natashya S14 ditë më parë

    The hope of our world is the individual that cares (like Good Samaritan)

  • Ms.T
    Ms.T14 ditë më parë

    I pray from Hillsong London but Hillsong is the legit definition and representation of racism! Black people that pray on Hillsong can testify to this. It is sad and unfortunate!

  • Kristof Krause
    Kristof Krause14 ditë më parë

    This is really not uncomfortable enough! By far! These conversations never take a deep dive. They always stay superficial. For example: Is a structure that produces ethnically unequal results racist? Example: NBA, NFL, etc. or Wall Street, Silicone Valley and so on. And what would be the solution to that? Reward effort instead of results? Good luck measuring that. That is really hard to do and it might even be impossible. Also what I don't understand is, that races are different in so, sooo many ways, but we are supposed to be exactly the same, when it comes to character and intelligence. Everything is different except for that. Really? That would be a miracle of chance and probability. And what would be the ideal? Jesus Christ and the good samariten. Ok. Accepted. But what if ethnicities do not have the same potential to fulfil that ideal? And if we don't reward outcome, but we reward instead effort, do we have to pardon a violent criminal, because he really, really tried his best? When and if I meet my creator, I can say from the bottom of my heart, that I tried to be a good human being. I tried really hard. I wasn't always good at it, but I really tried. And when I ask these question, I am HATED, ridiculed and ostracized, as if I would be the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. These conversations are supposed to be uncomfortable? Yet no negative comments, but just praise, because those two pharisees are just devine. Be better!

  • Anita in MO
    Anita in MO14 ditë më parë

    Growing up I went to a Catholic school and learned a little about Jesus and his teachings. I do not recognize today's "Christians" in the US. They are almost on the opposite side of what Jesus stood for. It is shocking.

  • Jordan A
    Jordan A15 ditë më parë

    In other words if you don’t feel guilty for being “the oppressor” by the nature of your white skin, you are automatically the problem.

  • Stephanie S
    Stephanie S15 ditë më parë

    This guy has a lot of self awareness.

  • Carrie W
    Carrie W19 ditë më parë

    I get really uncomfortable vibes from this guy. I can't explain it, but it's like he's wearing a mask. He's saying the right things, but I can't shake the feeling. (Edited to fix auto correct BS)

  • BlueFirePhoenix
    BlueFirePhoenix20 ditë më parë

    I was brought here by Emmanuel's interview on the podcast "Unlocking Us with Brene Brown". It's very much worth a listen to hear Emmanuel talk more at length.

  • Kevin Kennedy
    Kevin Kennedy20 ditë më parë

    Cain and Abel....

  • Brittanie Duruaku
    Brittanie Duruaku22 ditë më parë

    I would appreciate this conversation more if you had sat down with a Pastor who was not affiliated with the celebrity lifestyle etc. There’s something authentic about your conversations with “average” white people.

  • jeepsi Shumate
    jeepsi Shumate24 ditë më parë

    lol hillsong is not even close to Christian .....come on man! how about John hagee or paul washer or john macarthur. Hillsong is a joke!

  • Madeline Russ
    Madeline Russ25 ditë më parë

    This episode made me cry.

  • Christiaan Botha
    Christiaan Botha25 ditë më parë

    I think you framed George Floyd's murder as an act of racism, which it wasn't. it was an act of incompetence from a police officer not following protocols. One of the police officers at the scene was black and he didn't do much to stop the crime. Also, guilting a whole collective of whites for "white privilgence" is racism to the core. It is a marxist ideal to sow division and keep power to the small minority. "The existence of ‘unearned’ opportunities or wealth is seen as such a severe critique of our system it warrants a disbelief in an idea foundational to the American dream." "Neo-Marxism divides the world between oppressor and oppressed and identifies a system, or systems, by which the oppression takes place."

  • Dominic Carrano
    Dominic Carrano25 ditë më parë

    The ultimate paradox. People who claim to be followers of Jesus, and yet their actions are directly contradictory to the doctrine they claim to follow.

  • Kamohelo Michelle
    Kamohelo Michelle25 ditë më parë

    I like his muscles & how he wear something tight to show them off - Pretty charming.

  • Heart For Christ
    Heart For Christ28 ditë më parë

    More like Hellsong

  • Daphne Myers
    Daphne MyersMuaj më parë

    I John 4:20 - If a man says I love God but hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen!

  • Daphne Myers
    Daphne MyersMuaj më parë

    Racism travels!

  • Daphne Myers
    Daphne MyersMuaj më parë

    Right!!!! We live this every single day!!!

  • Daphne Myers
    Daphne MyersMuaj më parë

    Wake up: "I'm the dad of this house"! Wow!!!!! Lead by example!

  • Daphne Myers
    Daphne MyersMuaj më parë

    Wow, if he is not speaking the truth; I don't know what it is!!!!!!! He is absolutely correct! Wow, I am getting so much understanding and these videos have opened my eyes even more.

  • Kerri Grandmaison
    Kerri GrandmaisonMuaj më parë

    The internet makes us lest compassionate and empathetic too

  • Marico Nabors
    Marico NaborsMuaj më parë

    That pastor just quoted Louis Farrakhan

  • Paul Major
    Paul MajorMuaj më parë

    this aged well

  • Joana Kalevo
    Joana KalevoMuaj më parë

    I am super late to the party and this is completely not connected to the convo, but when he spelled 'DENIAL' and then explained what it stands for my brain was like 'DEKIAL' :D

  • Eddie Smock
    Eddie SmockMuaj më parë

    According to statistics 75 prevent of people in white churches vote Republic. And a majority are older people. These are the kind of people who watch Fox News and OAN. If pastors stood up and talked about racism in a way that called these people out as racists or potential racists they'd lose a huge chunk of their church. They know this, and they are scared of this. So in my mind there are older Republican pastors who believe just like the people in the pews believe and so they spread hate disguised as love. Then there are pastors who, themselves know that racism is a problem. They know that white privilege is real, but they stay silent on it because they don't want to lose their jobs. Then there is a very small percentage who try to make a difference. A very very small percentage.

  • Terry JP
    Terry JPMuaj më parë

    God doesn't buy into BLM. GOD loves everyone. Sorry if that ruins the mantra. The other difference is GOD actually HELPS people unlike BLM. Have a good one.

  • IfIEmailYou ThenIknowYou
    IfIEmailYou ThenIknowYouMuaj më parë

    Yeah no longer the lead pastor there due to all of his affairs with his wife so I don't believe a thing he says.

  • kirsten


    Muaj më parë

    Even if he did that, he still said a bunch of really great and true things. Like the house analogy.

  • PlutoLee Music
    PlutoLee MusicMuaj më parë

    It started during slavery

  • Matthew Lang
    Matthew LangMuaj më parë

    Carl says what people want to hear. But he always makes sure it rhymes.

  • Bessie King
    Bessie KingMuaj më parë

    Fear is your problem. No one's fear should be anyone else's problem. Sometimes it's jealousy and envy which is in the Ten Commandments. Coveting is against God's law. To not be pleased with what He gave you but want what other have. Are be a hindrance to their ability to better themselves. Prime example, destruction of successful black communities in the past.

  • Gyabes Edusei
    Gyabes EduseiMuaj më parë

    Hillsong yes in London old Kent road area a lot of all black members/congregation but all on stage or leaders were white. So we left. Most are white before Christianity so they prefers Trump. Majority of white people no institutional Privileged and don't care if it kill a black man.

  • Candy Kisses
    Candy KissesMuaj më parë

    I am blessed to have a black Preacher who is active in civil rights movements. I can feel his multi-generational pain and deep sorrow. We are a mostly white Congregational church. Ir's a welcome change.

  • God Is In Control
    God Is In ControlMuaj më parë

    Louis Farrakhan is the minister of a completely different sector🙏🏾

  • Ivy Evers
    Ivy EversMuaj më parë

    Omg i felt so convicted by "peace keepers" vs "peace makers" LOVED THIS EPISODE!!!

  • Yesmam Nosir
    Yesmam NosirMuaj më parë

    Isn’t this the the “dick root” preacher?

  • Mark Piatti

    Mark Piatti

    Muaj më parë

    Yep, he got canned.

  • Zelly Belly
    Zelly BellyMuaj më parë

    what time is it where you say grace ain’t race?

  • amywjn
    amywjnMuaj më parë

    Without God & Jesus life is without true meaning & purpose, forgiveness & mercy. So many kids are killing themselves because they are hopeless, no real meaning & purpose in life & too much pain. Carl please don’t lump all churches together, you have not seen all churches. Not sure where you live, but there are mixed churches here & if they are not they are not they welcome whoever walks through that door. Saying that, I am sure there are churches who are not like that, but not the majority. So happy that God is also the one who brings mercy & forgiveness to us while we are in our sinful ways as we try & try again to improve.

  • pornanyone
    pornanyoneMuaj më parë

    Jay Smooth said it's better to talk about the thing someone did rather than the person they are. I've found that calling people a racist shuts down the conversation. People get defensive and there is no discussion, there is no change. But when you tell people that what they did was a problem, they take it a little easier. A little. Because some people still get defensive when you call them out on anything. But if you use the word racist in a sentence, they take it as an attack, even if you aren't calling them a racist. I try to use the golden rule approach. Call out what they did and ask them how they'd feel if someone treated them that way. Jay Smooth video althe.info/number/yGO1mWGgnnuei8g/video Jay Smooth TEDX althe.info/number/s5XFqJl_loKplLo/video

  • pornanyone
    pornanyoneMuaj më parë

    I like this conversation where the “white” person is being asked the questions and admitting to what is going on.

  • bowen miller
    bowen millerMuaj më parë

    This did not age well

  • Eli Red
    Eli RedMuaj më parë

    In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful. "O people! We created you from a male and a female, and made you races and tribes, that you may know one another. The best among you in the sight of God is the most righteous. God is All-Knowing, Well-Experienced." Surat Al-Hujurat. vrs 13. Holy Quran.

  • JMYouTube
    JMYouTubeMuaj më parë

    This was SO amazing. I love these powerful, moving conversations.

  • Stephen Staedtler
    Stephen StaedtlerMuaj më parë

    Lentz is a heretic who believes there are many ways to God.

  • Nos
    Nos2 muaj më parë

    I am to understand and accept that the way forward is through an ideological dogma being compared to another ideological dogma? Relying on any of the two, which both do not accept criticism, makes no sense in a conversation. Using one as a qualifier/proof an argument is right is an underhanded tactic.

  • Ontheroxxwithsalt
    Ontheroxxwithsalt2 muaj më parë

    What a load of chit.

  • Jude 1:3
    Jude 1:32 muaj më parë

    This guy is not a pastor he’s a false prophet. Please don’t use him as an example of an actual Christian. If you want to know Gods position open your King James Bible.

  • Shaheeda Dollie
    Shaheeda Dollie2 muaj më parë

    All Prophets was sent to earth by God to unite humanity. Close your eyes to racial differences and welcome all with the light of essences.

  • Cheryl
    Cheryl2 muaj më parë

    I love the worship music in Christian black churches. I also think Emmanuel is good looking and i am only embarrassed that i am a old married woman saying it. LOL In all seriousness though i believe since the beginning of time the human attitude is that we are naturally inclined to be prejudiced against anyone that doesn't look, act and be like ourselves. I have seen more whites judge other whites than i have seen racism against other races. That says a lot about humanity in general. In the end we are just sinners and need to learn true love, period.

  • Mark Martin
    Mark Martin2 muaj më parë

    Why church is silent so often? Guess because it might get uncomfortable. Taking e.g. behavior in Europe 1939to45 or today's discussion about revealing abuse and violence into consideration unfortunately "keeping out of trouble" seems to be part of the system. Sure there are MANY people trying to change but unfortunately the core of this traditional system seems to be too strong. Evolution of behaviour and values seems to be held down by higher reasons....but hopefully even this dishonorable tradition of behaviour will change one day.

  • J Lamar
    J Lamar2 muaj më parë

    That minister he referenced around 9:40. That was Minister Farrakhan correct?

  • Sean Mitchell
    Sean Mitchell2 muaj më parë


  • Carolyn Lee
    Carolyn Lee2 muaj më parë

    Please have Paster Jack Hibbs on!

  • Stacey Harkless
    Stacey Harkless2 muaj më parë

    Remember YHWH'S Sabbath. Keep it holy. 4th Commandment. Covenant promise. 👑🐑👰

  • DJ Kale Eat
    DJ Kale Eat2 muaj më parë

    Damn, Carl was a brilliant guest !

  • Buff
    Buff2 muaj më parë

    my mom said, is fine son, nobody care about Asians

  • Anon a'ccount
    Anon a'ccount2 muaj më parë

    Acho has made tens if millions as an athlete and now handed this gig yet he preaches to us that blacks are oppressed and that the white privilege myth is real. GTFO

  • Marlon Smith
    Marlon Smith2 muaj më parë


  • spr1ce
    spr1ce2 muaj më parë

    I love how you shared the story of the Good Samaritan. What a great analogy. I have faced backlash for standing up for almost anything. I am always trying to find ways to better understand others’ experiences as well as share what I learn with people in my own life who prefer to remain ignorant. It’s not easy to deal with people who have no desire to understand or learn. I’m especially frustrated with people calling themselves “Christians” yet mostly what we hear from them is what they hate. I consider myself Christian; but I sure hope I’m not viewed as “one of those Christians.” Thank you for opening up a dialog like this in our country; God knows we need it!

  • Ron Swonson
    Ron Swonson2 muaj më parë

    You see that waiter serving the black family? Yeah he's racist.

  • angieee mmmarie
    angieee mmmarie2 muaj më parë

    It's not a coincidence that children raised in non religious households are generally much more empathetic and kind.

  • Sarai Addy
    Sarai Addy2 muaj më parë

    Ignorance... worshiping a Jewish man who told his followers to worship God. Sin: refusing to worship God alone and follow the commandments. Question: who are you following? The God of Israel or the Christian church.

  • KCC - Karen's Chronic Corner
    KCC - Karen's Chronic Corner2 muaj më parë

    Proud to be an atheist, hearing this.

  • J M
    J M2 muaj më parë

    The funniest thing is if we got to heaven and found God and the angels to be as black as the Nubians. That would be the day! I would laugh sooo hard I would be kicked out of heaven!

  • Lina Ko
    Lina Ko2 muaj më parë

    Excellent dialogue, both men exuding compassion for the human being who's next to him 🙇🏻‍♀️

  • Athenz Minz
    Athenz Minz2 muaj më parë

    not a Christian, but I gotta say dude gained my respect for this

  • Michelle Golden
    Michelle Golden2 muaj më parë

    I love what he said about if I’m wrong about white privilege vs if you are wrong! I’m going to use that in future conversations! I’m loving this show. As a white woman living in the south, I’m trying every day to learn more and do better. You are a huge help in that.

  • Beren Welter
    Beren Welter2 muaj më parë

    Who else is here after Carl cheated on his wife? I hope that they can fix things, I feel bad for his wife.

  • Clay Pigeon
    Clay Pigeon2 muaj më parë

    with the question of the denial of the situation and what could be said i suggest: when i confront racism as a whole & admit how i have learned i have reflexively behaved and seen from racist views to a better view i feel like i'm in a ocean of racism & we might need to consider how generations of behavior tendencies and traditions of tribe might have bent the neural hardwiring into racist and it might take education & self(individual) discipline for generations to change

  • Brown Brat
    Brown Brat3 muaj më parë

    Ngl I always wondered how are most of these white policemen that practice police brutality on black people Christian, it just doesn’t make sense.

  • Tyrece Catlin
    Tyrece Catlin3 muaj më parë

    Fantastic episode

  • Willco
    Willco3 muaj më parë

    Can white Jews victimize themselves as much as black Christians?

  • giddy liddy
    giddy liddy3 muaj më parë

    "compassion without confrontation is like fruitless sentimental commiseration" WHEW

  • Claire Lo
    Claire Lo3 muaj më parë

    Interesting to see this video after all the recent news coming out about what a racist, misogynistic, abusive organization Hillsong actually is.... nothing more than a pyramid-scheme based cult in reality. Power & money always ends up in total corruption.

  • S. Limbombe
    S. Limbombe3 muaj më parë

    This was by far my favourite episode. I feel like there weren't overt missed opportunities for questions like I have seen in other episodes.

  • Celinda Scott
    Celinda Scott3 muaj më parë

    The church I go to is NOT silent on race. I'm an Episcopalian, and whether it's parishes, or a diocese, or the whole national church (our presiding bishop is black), we work to change "racist ideology in our country." We are thrilled in our small town congregation when a black person visits. We have some strong black churches in our community, and I've been told by at least one black friend that she feels loyal to the black church that she belongs to. I don't know what we can do to have a racially mixed congregation, but that's what we all want. --We celebrate Absalom Jones, the first black Episcopal priest, this coming Saturday (Feb. 13) in most dioceses, including ours. This year it'll be virtual.

  • Thobile Mahlangu
    Thobile Mahlangu3 muaj më parë

    Sorry but...actually not sorry. I am an atheist because religion is actually, according to my understanding, the basis if racism. Simply think about this, what is the figurative meaning of the color black... pain, suffering, misery, all the negative things. Now think of white...pure, innocent, "worthy ". The bible promotes this ideology.

  • Thobile Mahlangu
    Thobile Mahlangu3 muaj më parë

    America was not founded on religion.

  • Keylup Veintisiete
    Keylup Veintisiete3 muaj më parë

    4:36 that cut was very uncomfortable, mission accomplished.

    GLOOBI3 muaj më parë

    I think it would be really cool if you could get NF and have a conversation with him he’s white and a rapper and he’s definitely out there but isn’t as well known as most famous people so all I’m saying is maybe try interviewing a white hip hop artist

  • Alan Sands
    Alan Sands3 muaj më parë

    So just like that he has a racism neighborhood watch program. Way to build up trust with your community.

  • Michael Barbour
    Michael Barbour3 muaj më parë

    That peacemaker line was beautiful. Never looked at it that way. Great vid!

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